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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:36:09 PM Black Thought
Here's an example of him getting his fuckin shit put in a twist on a track...
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the weatherman (Admin)
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:45:43 PM completely disagree with this
how is black thought overrated when 1. the average fan probably doesn't even know who he is (that guy from the roots?) and 2. he's had more longevity than almost anyone out there
i think there are some overrated legends out there. thought is not even close to being one of them.
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crOwcaine
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:45:51 PM ^ LOL. Oh man, there goes the thread...
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crOwcaine
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:48:04 PM my reply was for Goat Cheese Saliva, not you WM.
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luke perry
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:49:08 PM cr0w, the more posts you make, the more i'm convinced you got into hip hop through Limp Bizkit.
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the weatherman (Admin)
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:50:52 PM btw, every single mc that tried to get on a track with pun around that time got his shit twist.
not a single feature on capital punishment has pun get outshined.
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crOwcaine
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:51:03 PM Luke you're just mad cause I wouldn't post a picture of my cock as you requested.
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orien
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 5:24:57 PM lol at observes description of him as a braggadocio rapper.
BT is dope, but i see cats around here throwing him in their top 5 and top 10 lists which laugh worthy atleast but i really dont get how you could rank him so highly.
he's dropped some very dope verses in his time.
be fair though crow there are only maybe 1 or 2 mcs at the time that song dropped that could have held their own with pun in that format.
that was the perfect format for pun. cats just spitting insane verses back and forth.
bt's verses were by no means weak.
but when you got a cat droppin lines like:
Ay-yo my murderous rap verbal attack is actual fact Tactical tracks match perfectly with graphical stats Half a you lack the magical dap of tragical rap
just in the opening 10 seconds of a song its a fuckin wrap. no one is stealin his shine.
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orien
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 5:27:02 PM the only cats that were lyrically doin shit that could hang with pun at this time (atleast ny cats that he would have worked with) were keith, g rap, and big l maybe. deck didnt outshine him at all. he held his own thats about it.
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the weatherman (Admin)
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 5:35:31 PM and like you said, even still those 3 mc's you mentioned woulda probably got outshined by pun in a back to back straight battle style rap song.
it's no shame ever to get outshined by pun at his apex....dude was a lyrical monster.
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hmpz
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 5:38:14 PM obviously i was talking about Yesh
aka Dana Barros, Marbury, Penny, JASON WILLIAMS 55
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orien
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 6:08:06 PM ^ i wouldnt completely disagree weather. like i said those 3 are the only ones think that could even hang at the time.
but also in that format i think it was definitely set to favor pun from the get go.
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putitonbigl
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 6:49:11 PM Tbh I thought fat Joe held his own
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vinnny blanc
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 7:57:25 PM prospect held his own lol
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crowcaine
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 8:18:02 PM Triple Seis couldn't even carry their weed right let alone be on a track with Pun.
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Deranged Dissenter
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 9:11:08 PM I give props to Black Thought for being such a versatile rapper, a must if you're in a live instrumentation group such as the Roots. He rhymes genuinely about the streets, can do political talk, and introspective stuff. His live performances are also top knotch. However, I would like to see him drop a solo album, without the backing of the Roots. If that's dope, he is absolved of any form of criticism from me.
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FakeToothTomE
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 9:11:50 PM IMO Prodigy & Deck both outshine pun on tres leches...
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$ White Jesus $
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:04:26 PM Black Thought is an entertainer of the highest quality.
Blasphemy in this thread.
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marijuana cigarettes
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:10:37 PM lol at this thread
black thought is the most consistent mc in the game a true artist, not just a rapper a poet who knows how to give a track exactly what it needs
observe is an idiot itt do u listen to music or do u just skim thru it?
and lol at your example of him getting outshined being on a track with BIG PUN at his peak this has to be a troll post right?
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:10:44 PM people that understand the emceeing aspect of emceeing because they are emcees will undoubtedly list Thought in their top 10 if not higher.
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:21:27 PM ah my mans..I is familiar with those artists..
but to be fair I only listened to the Slightly drawn out "dial the seven digits call up bridget" earlier flow which worked for them cool..but I didn't really enjoy the lyricism too much, I think last I heard from out there was some Keak and that pep love back in the day who had excellent schemes and flow but I wasn't really into his stuff too much..
I'm an extremist I guess..I don't like sorta soft..I want heartwrenching..and I don't like sorta street I like something that has an authentic street touch too it..situations I been in or described in a way one would only know if they were close to the situation.
I don't think any of them come close to Thought to be honest.
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XFactor
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:24:01 PM Last Roots album was dope.
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:27:28 PM You can't be serious saying Black Thought is not technical..
that's insane, he's right behind Em as a technical emcee.
Since the days of Illadelph half life..
Have you heard Phrenology?
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XFactor
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:29:53 PM Define technical.
Black Thought seems to have a relatively straight forward flow.
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:37:49 PM Placement of syllables, amount of syllables that rhyme perfectly, than holding the scheme or jumping it off it entirely and bring it back to reconnect it at unexpected moments..
basically writing potent bars confined to a certain set of parameters..
to me it sounds better.. and it's more difficult.
so I really appreciate it.
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:40:16 PM "Like brotha lynch hung is technical..he has a song where the beats skips a second on a part, but he manages to spit on that' split second part..that's skills.."
Oh..I grew up on the garden blocc's music. Best believe I loved Lynch and Season of da siccness..to me that was more double time incredible breath control than being technical though.
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XFactor
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:45:24 PM He isn't?
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:49:06 PM
The dude gettin tortured is a new member of they band, this was his initiation.
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Texas_Underground1
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:52:23 PM pauly styles..i think tonedeff fits that description pretty damn well.
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:54:56 PM He isn't?..
Nah, he has some thought provoking lines..almost abstract at times..
Delivery..presence..almost unmatched to me.
and it's not too hard to formulate complex bars over a slower tempo..
doin it over an uptempo joint..
takes skill and patience.
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:56:10 PM Tonedeff from E-fam?
Dude is talented, no doubt.
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Danny Darko
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 10:57:07 PM yeah i mean pun is one of the best if not the best rapper of all time so getting outshined by him doesn't matter that much...and black thought's verse on that song is very good i think.
if anything i feel like he's underrated. i completely disagree with you here but not everyone is for everybody.
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CHEEN-GOAN
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:00:59 PM puns nowhere near the best..he had the same flow in almos every song..dis fat fuc admitted in taking shabazz diciples flo n a song that shabazz has..
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:01:33 PM lol AT the u-god verse on the 8 diagrams get em out the way pa.
good one
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XFactor
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:10:39 PM We defining shit differently.
Straight forward rappers are rappers who don't change up their flow much. Black Thought seems to rap basically the same regardless of the track.
Technical rappers to me have nothing to do with lyrical content. It is about flow. So like Pharoahe Monch is a crazy technical rapper.
Eminem is technical.
Cube has one of my favorite "technical" flows on NWA on Parental Discretion Iz Advised. Cube rips that shit crazy.
But I feel really nerdy talking about this shit right now.
Nerds Up, Thugs Down
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:24:23 PM We might. Cause to me it's the syllables inside the flow..the parameter inside the flow, Your flow is so heavily dependent on the amount of syllables you're using.
"Run around with the heat, gun was found in the street."
is not going to flow the same as
"Run in the street gun in the street."
One is going to take more finesse and ultimately more time to lay over a track where one can understand what you're saying.
as opposed to some dropping the scheme and just saying "Run around with the heat got guns in the street."
easier to flow, but the scheme was broken and isn't gonna roll like if the scheme was kept.
So these days a proficient technical rappers gonna find a way to stay with it unless he's gonna break away for a bar or two than reconnect it.
"Run around with the heat, gun was found in the street, chump was down off his feet, I bust a round it's discreet, hit the airport clutchin now on the leaf sentiments done when it gets numb so I'm gettin so high I ain't touchin down for a week plus I was just in town for some beef."
or something like that..
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Pauly Styles
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posted Friday, June 15, 2012 11:28:43 PM doin that over a slow tempo is cake..
uptempo..some parts of that phrase your gonna have to hold out so that you can drop the next part on the beat and vice verse..phrases sometimes will have to be paused or split in half..repetition until the flow is perfect..over and over again..
and say something dope..or profound that people remember..
that to me is a dope lyricist.
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dinglezero
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posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 12:09:38 AM Black thought is as much a legend as pun is.
"I got soul plus a ghetto stroll similar to shaft...."
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orien
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posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:22:34 AM i agree BDK could have hung with pun on a track like this.
i didnt even consider him in the equation because by 96 he was mostly done making music for the most part.
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orien
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posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:24:33 AM lol at this faggot counting syllables.
jfc.
just kill yourself already.
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crOwcaine
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posted Saturday, June 16, 2012 8:36:07 AM After observe left this thread it really went to shit.
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michaelangelojones
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posted Monday, June 18, 2012 9:06:04 PM In no way shape or form is Thought overrated. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYud9kYr3d8
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LiquidDo$e
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posted Monday, June 18, 2012 9:16:48 PM I haven't read any replies, cuz I'ma baller I ain't got time for that shit, knowwutimsayin n*ggas...
But Yo Crow you're fuckin trippin GTFO witht his shit Thought is so fuckin ill...He'd rap cricles around 99% of Kool Kieth and MF Doom....I'm surprised you'd even come with some shit like this.
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crowcaine
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posted Monday, June 18, 2012 9:22:56 PM He was also injured for most of the season which didn't up his stock with me. The Clippers weren't the same without him. His knee popped right the fuck out LD$, you see that shit money?
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LiquidDo$e
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posted Monday, June 18, 2012 9:38:06 PM Crow, I ain't following....but one time when I was on mushrooms I listened to this track like 10 times in a row...
Thought comes in at 3:15 or so
This is also the top three best HipHop songs ever made
This is one of the best songs to ever have a video on MTV
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LiquidDo$e
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posted Monday, June 18, 2012 9:40:50 PM Crow, c'mon take it back
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LiquidDo$e
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posted Monday, June 18, 2012 9:48:02 PM Yeah Observe Big L was overrated, god damn you're ghey sometimes...He only had the illest flow of all time.
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crOwcaine
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posted Monday, June 18, 2012 9:48:45 PM
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clockworx
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posted Monday, June 18, 2012 9:52:41 PM Over rated=big L
LOL at obgappy aka Kremes troll attempt.
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Razor Ramonn
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posted Monday, June 18, 2012 10:10:49 PM WTFFF Black thought has CONSISTENTLY been dropping dope hip hip and classic bars since like 92.....I love Pun but he began falling off by his sophmore album homie. And Biggie was outrapped by Mef on the What Is biggie the most overrated too? I could think of a million examples of all time greats not having the best verse on tracks.
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marijuana cigarettes
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posted Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:00:39 AM thought never penned a wack verse
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Danny Darko
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posted Tuesday, June 19, 2012 1:25:39 AM .dis fat fuc admitted in taking shabazz diciples flo n a song that shabazz has..
So he spit about how he copied his flow on a collabo track with him? That doesn't make any sense.
posted Friday, June 15, 2012 3:36:09 PM 
