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clockwork sucks

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:01:52 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
all time great albums

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GRMPA

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:04:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for GRMPA   Click Here to Email GRMPA
now thatíd be dope

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:04:43 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Fosters
Imagine if Prem linked up with Wicked for a mixtape series.

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:05:12 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
Would have sucked. Percee p can spit a freestyle type of verse well, but can't make a song. He lacks the stylistic range to hold up a whole album of tracks. He's as one note as a rapper gets.

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:30:19 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
^^^ considering who u consider to be dope and hot its safe to say your opinion holds no surface weight.

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:32:27 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for recumbent_god
Lol at 88 shutting this herb down with facts in his own thread.


Don't forget to pull up on me in NYC this month fuck boy.

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:35:15 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for GRMPA   Click Here to Email GRMPA
What abt that song donít come strapped? Pretty daffy and itís like about something besides rapping

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:36:36 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
recum stain u wood get knocked the fuck out on site. greek fag

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:39:13 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for cEe-CuT
...seems like 88 is an expert when it comes to hip hop lol

imagine if percee p had formed a group with lord finesse in '91 ... add features by organized konfusion, ocee, kool keith and krs-one plus production by diamond d, showbiz and premier - this would have been an undisputed classic!

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 3:42:55 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
^^^ nah ditc always fronted on perc back in the days for beatz

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 4:13:34 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lpac
Co-sign 88

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 5:09:13 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
^^ u dont knoiw jack to the fucking shit bouyt ug hip hop u euro fag. stick to wack commercial pop. u aint built for this weakling

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 5:22:13 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lpac
Of all mc's you choose for a dream group with Premo you pick Percy P???? 🤣;

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 5:38:52 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
never hurd of percy p eurofag.. get your facts straight u clown

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seems like the consensus on percee p has changed round here... only ever used to see threads lamenting the fact he never dropped a solo album in the 90s.

by the time he actually did release a solo record he sounded a bit washed up, but a solo circa 92/93 would've been top drawer no doubt. his verse on Yes You May is bananas

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 6:08:41 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for KUSH12
i wonder what percee p is up to these days.

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 6:14:03 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for No Masks
Woulda been a classic

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 6:14:46 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for selah
Heís gonna be on one song on the new Vanderslice coming out next week.

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 6:16:40 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for selah


From last year

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 6:38:05 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for selah
Says heís got an album coming on Iíll adrenaline. Tweeted this on June 6th.

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 6:39:12 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for selah
Oops to blurry

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 6:40:11 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for selah
Well idk that says it feature him so I guess somebody elseís album my bad.

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 6:44:55 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for selah
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Thereís this also though from a couple days before and he says albums so maybe he has a couple coming.

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posted Saturday, July 07, 2018 6:49:03 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for mic_data
Hey, this is an underground hip hop board ollie.

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posted Sunday, July 08, 2018 1:34:17 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
I'm far from an expert. There's so much more to learn.

Ftr, I like hearing a Percee p verse. But that's exactly what he's good at: short bursts (note: my phone auto corrected to "shirt bursts", how dope is that phrase? What could it mean if it was a real phrase?). Percee ' s skills would have been best either in a group setting or as he was, a guest feature rapper. The notion that a full solo album by him would be good is miscasting his strengths and weaknesses. People always misinterpret acknowledgement of a weakness as dismissal of strengths, but that's just a bad assumption. Percee p was hella one note, but that note was dope in small bursts. iiwii.

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posted Sunday, July 08, 2018 1:58:53 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for bread = money
well unluckily for you he did drop a solo album, back in 2007. (presumably without your permission)

to be fair it wasn't that great, mainly cause it was about 15 years too late.

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posted Sunday, July 08, 2018 3:13:11 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
88 like I said stick to commercial pop wraps and leave the ug shit to the real ug headz. also the thread is about primo with perc so over analize your ugly elphant man mask face in the mirror instead of knit picking what u dont like about ughh

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posted Sunday, July 08, 2018 3:49:33 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
Perseverance was a total mess. You consider that a solo, though?

Bread money, I'm wondering what I've done to offend you. Totally sincere with this comment btw. Where's this "permission" talk coming from?

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posted Sunday, July 08, 2018 3:52:31 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
Ollie, if you get this defensive about what you call knit picking, then maybe you just can't hang in a real discussion? I mean, what'll you do in the face of real criticisms, if "knit picking" triggers you this hard?

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posted Sunday, July 08, 2018 7:15:56 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for litney spears
percee p is trash on the mic

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posted Sunday, July 08, 2018 7:41:52 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Lpac
88 it's been obvious Ollie can't hang in a real discussion, he's arrogant and dumb

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 2:36:50 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Tadow
Percee P over some People Under the Stairs beats..

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 2:13:57 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
Ollie, if you get this defensive about what you call knit picking, then maybe you just can't hang in a real discussion? I mean, what'll you do in the face of real criticisms, if "knit picking" triggers you this hard?


fact of the matter is u have zero knwledge about ughh and are too lazy to put the work to seek that knowledge or just dont care. either way you have no credibility or integrity to speak about ughh so stick to commercial bubble gum pop its best suited for you u eh?

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88 has more credibility than you, ollie. You dont even listen to most new ughh cause it triggers you. Youre stuck in 1991 *shrugs*

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 3:36:43 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
too lazy to put the work to seek that knowledge

how would you recommend i seek the knowledge. serious question. what would you suggest a beginner like me do?

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 4:06:08 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
88 has more credibility than you, ollie. You dont even listen to most new ughh cause it triggers you. Youre stuck in 1991 *shrugs*

im afraid not my son and the only thing I stuck to is my dick to your girls mouth

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 4:08:16 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
88 its too late for u your a devil to the culture and cant be trusted (ac the pd voice) u have drown urself in wackness and their is no coming back.

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 4:12:10 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
way to dodge the question you're incapable of answering, you incompetent coward.

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"perseverance" was dope as fuck. all them singles from the early stones throw comps are good to. hes got a one note flow but the flow regardless is ill and unique. he had a bonus feature in the stones throw doc which was sad to me cuz hes one of the better rappers thats been on that label.

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 4:17:30 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
it was awful. i never heard the remix album though. i got to check that out.

i'll say this positive thing about perserverance: i don't typically care for aesop rock, but he had a dope verse on the album, and he sounded great over that madlib beat.

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 4:19:02 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for clockwork sucks
your girl is a cum dodger

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i think hes cool for one of those 1 album rapper guys. hes better than MED and guilty simpson thats for sure.

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both versions had some great tracks but why wood u like it if u have drown urslef with wack shit like kanye west andersonned pakkass pusha t?

no one in the ug or mainstream can what p does with the rapid fire fast style and frankly p can do anything these clowns in the lamestream di but wont.

for instance this verse

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I remember being dissapointed by Madlib and Oh no on those percee albums more than anything. P didnt utter a wack verse but the jackson bros went a little to funky/minamalist on a lot of those beats. Still 5-10 great songs came out of that shit though, classics

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Fuck now im misusing to/too. I blame gino

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 4:38:19 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
prof, i hear what you're saying, but i'd argue that madlib had to make an entire album with a one note rapper. that's a tough thing to pull off, even for a producer as god like as lib. usually, the rapper bends their skills to accommodate the beats, but perserverance was truly the other way around. the proof is in the pudding: percee p kept to one style for the whole album. even the song about women, for christ's sake, lol. this album must have been an absolute cadance nightmare for madlib to produce.

madlib had to find beats that would not only work with percee's battle rapper style, but also that wouldn't get redundant against each other over the course of a long album.

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Yeah he definitely tried to cater the beats to percee's style. Would've been better if he just threw a bunch of spacey Quas beats at him and forced him to adapt, lol

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 4:56:57 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
percee is a lot like inspectah deck. both make great short burst exposes. deck was lucky enough to land in a group (not only that, but in a group with rza, who knew exactly when to unleash a great deck verse, and when to reign deck in), while percee wasn't. they're honestly the exact same.

the reason i don't think any percee p album where he's the only rapper would work is the same reason i think deck's solo albums have never worked out. less is more with these guys

NOTE: see my endless essay on these type of rappers, starting on page two of this thread: https://www.undergroundhiphop.com/forums/readpost.asp?Forum=Common&Whichpage=1&Whichpage2=2&QuestionID=2932908&SearchYear=2017

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posted Monday, July 09, 2018 5:06:48 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for 88
i'm just going to post the whole thing here, lol, not only because it 100% applies to percee p, but it'll also really piss off ollie and that amuses me:

1. variety

to me, epidemic doesn't have enough variation in their rhymes. hex always has the same flow on every track. i think the problem, to me, is that their style becomes exhausting, because, in literally every verse, they're trying to rhyme as many syllables in their words as possible. i've used the example before, when discussing my problem with epidemic -- one of the reasons the wu-tang emcees were so popular was because of the varieties in style. each had a different style of how they rhymed. inspectah deck was like hex one, always trying to do multis, but rza was smart enough to match inspectah deck's verses up with verses from other emcees in the group who weren't trying to do lyrical gymnastics. if wu-tang consisted entirely of inspectah deck bomb atomically verses, wu wouldn't be nearly as popular. it's specifically because the bomb atomically verses from deck were rare that they were popular and great. there needs to be variety. you can't try to do multis in every single verse of every single track, because it's just too much. it becomes repetitive.

the harlem globetrotters are another good example. those guys are endlessly doing basketball tricks, to the point that it becomes boring to watch, because eventually every trick looks the same. kyrie irving, however, people love seeing him do tricks, because he's not only doing tricks. he's also being fundamental. there's variety there. which makes the tricks more special when they happen. if the tricks were constantly happening in every play (like they do with the globetrotters), they wouldn't be as special when they happened, and the fans would eventually hate the tricks. hex is more like the globetrotters in this example. the lyrical gymnastics are only special if they only happen occasionally. if they happen in every verse of every track, they lose their magic. rza was a genius for how he diversified styles in his group.

2. visibility

the other problem is the visibility of hex' efforts. what makes an emcee great at doing multis isn't his/her ability to do multis for days (see: my globetrotters metaphor above). instead, it's their ability to make the multis seem natural/invisible. with hex, you hear every rhymed syllable in a bar, because of the way he writes. it's kind of a showing off style, where he wants you to hear what he's doing. the problem with that, though, is that it becomes all you can hear in the bar. you stop listening to the content of what he's saying, because of how distracting the rhyming is.

i'm listening to common right now. the track, resurrection. he's doing so many multis right now, but they're not distracting me from hearing what he's actually saying, because he's talented enough to make the multis come off naturally. they don't draw attention to themselves. the multis are more "invisible" with common than they are with hex.

and the thing is, even if some hex one fan comes in and says, "but 88, what hex says in this song over here is meaningful", it doesn't matter. because hex' show-off/no variation style of rhyming is so distracting, you can't even hear what he's saying, because the rhymes are so visible, they're distracting. you don't even notice the meaningful content if there is any, because the rhymes are too in-the-way. which is terrible. multis should be effortless/invisible, not distracting. that's what separates the amateurs from the pros.

jay-z's a master of making his multis invisible. to the point that sometimes you don't even realize he's doing multis, unless you listen closely. it all seems completely effortless. with hex, though, it doesn't seem effortless. you hear every single rhymed syllable with hex. and he wants you to, because he wants you to know how good he is. the problem, though, is that it comes off as lacking confidence. i'm still listening to resurrection. common's saying a multi and moving on, careless of whether you heard it or not. there's a confidence there, just like how there is when kyrie does a crossover. because kyrie's crossovers are functional. he's doing them for a specific reason - to get to the hoop - rather than just doing them for the sake of doing them to impress the crowd.

3. functional

function over form is how all art needs to be. if form is coming first, like it is with hex, it's failing at the fundamental level.

when the globetrotters crossover a washington general, it's not as impressive as when kyrie irving crosses over some of the best defenders in the world. because, (a) the washington generals intentionally allow it to happen, and (b) there's nothing difficult about crossing over someone who's in on it. crossing over klay thompson, though? that's not something everyone can do. in other words, the form serves no function in the globetrotter case. it's just form for form's sake. for kyrie, though, the form is entirely functional. the only reason kyrie's doing the crossover is because it's the only way to get past klay in this moment of this play in this game. it's difficult, but it must be done to serve the function of getting to the basket.

what i'm getting at here is that form without function is incredibly easy. in other words, when hex one is rhyming about basically nothing - sci fi dragons and wizards or whatever - it's like trying to cross over a washington general. it might look impressive and seem difficult to the unbeknownst viewer, but it's actually really, really easy. do you realize how easy it is to rhyme like hex one, when the content of your rhymes is as meaningless as hex one's?

so i have to talk about the emcee, esoteric. esoteric is another lyrical gymnast show-off sometimes. he's good at it. on the album, egoclapper, he was rhyming multis like crazy, but he doesn't really say anything worthwhile in any of the songs on that album. a few albums later, though, he put out a concept album, saving saemus ryan. each song was part of some larger story, so the words in each song had a purpose. unlike on his album, egoclapper, the rapping on saving saemus ryan was functional. and you know what happened? the rhyming became clumsier and less impressive. when esoteric's bars had to have actual meaning, it was like trying to crossover klay thompson. esoteric couldn't do it. he was used to crossing over washington generals. but now he was being guarded by klay thompson. all the fancy dribbling moves disappeared, and esoteric was forced to go back to basic dribbiling, because it wasn't as easy when a good defender was on you. in other words, when the function became required, the form diminished. which means that the form wasn't as impressive as it seemed.

so what i'm getting at here is that hex one's trying to impress us with his fancy multis, but, since these multisyllabic bars he's rapping have no meaningful content in them, the efforts he's trying to show off aren't nearly as hard as they look from the outside. just like with the globetrotters. common, however. when you listen to common rapping multis, it is actually like kyrie crossing over klay thompson. it's difficult, it doesn't happen often, it's functional, but he makes it look easy when he does it. and that's the hardest thing to do in basketball. just like making the combination of multis and meaningful content sound natural is the hardest thing to do in rap.

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prof, i hear what you're saying, but i'd argue that madlib had to make an entire album with a one note rapper. that's a tough thing to pull off, even for a producer as god like as lib. usually, the rapper bends their skills to accommodate the beats, but perserverance was truly the other way around. the proof is in the pudding: percee p kept to one style for the whole album. even the song about women, for christ's sake, lol. this album must have been an absolute cadance nightmare for madlib to produce.

madlib had to find beats that would not only work with percee's battle rapper style, but also that wouldn't get redundant against each other over the course of a long album.

pure speculation stfu with the moronic rhetoric dumbass canadian logic at work again. once again the problem is u want every emcee to be a lame ass commercial pop wrapper plain and simple. ur not a fan of ughh just accept move and on and poast somewhere else.

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