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Groucho Marxist

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posted Tuesday, February 27, 2018 12:20:34 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho Marxist

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Tadow

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posted Tuesday, February 27, 2018 4:03:26 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Tadow
The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. The idiotic liberal westerners who support Communism though have found a loophole to reconciling their support for Communism and the ideology's horrific track record; every time Communism fails they say it's not real communism because of the resulting authoritarianism. Never mind the facet that communism REQUIRES AUTHORITARIANISM. You can't expect everyone to share the output of their labor with the state, so you must force them to. The only way that the system would work in any capacity is if people who found themselves with complete control over a country lacked all negative human traits and were selfless, benevolent beings. Even if they were godlike in their lack of ego and incorruptibility, it would still be authoritarianism either way. Even if the authority figure actually had the best interests of the masses at heart, they'd still be making decisions that should be made by individual, sovereign adults.

Communism is fucking retarded and anyone who supports it is an idiot or a monster. Their support for Communism reflects their character flaws. They either want to be dominated and cared for, or they want a system where they have power and are given unreproachable authority to control others. Either they're boot-licking supplicants or they're sadists.


-u/MightierThanThou

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Nassau William Senior

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posted Tuesday, February 27, 2018 4:05:50 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Nassau William Senior
Why would any person with lofty aspirations want Socialism?

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DJ Smegma

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posted Tuesday, February 27, 2018 4:30:57 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for DJ Smegma   Click Here to Email DJ Smegma
hybrid approach

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raskolnikov

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posted Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:07:58 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for raskolnikov
Keynesianism is the most realistic and beneficial approach towards improving society as a whole IMO

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Groucho Marxist

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:31:17 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho Marxist
lol every;time capitalism fails you aren't even allowed to bring up capitalism. and it fails often. so stupid.

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Triangulate + Strangulate

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 1:29:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Triangulate + Strangulate
Tadow u moron

1. That's not the definition of insanity
2. Communism =/= socialism
3. Socialism has worked well for all Nordic countries
4. You probably just quoted a Russian troll account

But socialism would never work in this country

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Phatbeets

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 1:42:01 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Phatbeets
peace to clicking on that

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fool blast

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:45:39 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for fool blast
Read the Ascent of Money- the chapter on Japan. Prior to becoming a welfare state, everything in that country was pisspoor from their infrastructure, govt, healthcare. they had a major earthquake and all the residents discovered they didn't really have insurance. they were completely fuked over. similar shit happened in new Orleans w Katrina. They made major reforms, nationalized everything, made sure everyone had pensions, etc. and became the 2nd biggest economy in the 60s.

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Maffmatics (Admin)

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 2:47:06 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Maffmatics   Click Here to Email Maffmatics
Nordic countries dont really practice socialism though. Economically they are still capitalist.

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Tadow

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:13:27 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Tadow
i don't know who you are and i don't agree with you so...good for your opinion. maybe leave the snarky faggot shit out next time too.

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Tadow

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:28:11 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Tadow
Scandinavian countries are very much capitalist. it's their fascination with identity politics that makes them appear "socialist"

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DJ Smegma

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:30:29 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for DJ Smegma   Click Here to Email DJ Smegma
ah no, you dumb dildo, its their socialist policies that make them appear socialist.

anyhoo, hybrid broze

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Tadow

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 3:51:03 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Tadow
wrong


The Scandinavian Fantasy: The Sources of Intergeneration Mobility in Denmark and the U.S.

http://www.nber.org/papers/w22465


http://www.weeklystandard.com/mythbusting-nordic-exceptionalism/article/2003849

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DJ Smegma

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:24:28 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for DJ Smegma   Click Here to Email DJ Smegma
lol jfc

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Tadow

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 4:36:48 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Tadow

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Triangulate + Strangulate

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:49:11 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Triangulate + Strangulate
Lol at weekly standard no wonder you're a moron

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Triangulate + Strangulate

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 6:50:09 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Triangulate + Strangulate
Look up Nordic model

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DJ Smegma

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 8:10:35 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for DJ Smegma   Click Here to Email DJ Smegma
I'm a business-owning, profit-loving, fancy car driving, Rolex wearing capitalist. but, I also understand its shortcomings as do most adults.

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dR.prOf

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posted Wednesday, February 28, 2018 10:31:49 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for dR.prOf   Click Here to Email dR.prOf
Capitalism has failed pretty horribly in America, no?

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Nezzyknowzzz666

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posted Thursday, March 01, 2018 12:16:55 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Nezzyknowzzz666   Click Here to Email Nezzyknowzzz666
i believe in capitalism anyone can get rich in america if they make the right moves !!

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NewportBox

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posted Thursday, March 01, 2018 8:03:50 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for NewportBox
Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
- Ronald Wright

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Porkelin

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posted Friday, March 02, 2018 8:08:44 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Porkelin
Neither capitalism nor socialism work in their purest form. Like any philosophy that exists, it's completely impractical when taken to the extreme. Skepticism, rationalism, empiricism, name a school of thought, you don't wanna live within the parameters of any one philosophy. It's about balance. The Nordic model is built on capitalism but keeps well funded social programs. Free college, student welfare, unemployment welfare, universal health care, addiction clinics, homeless shelters, etc. Every citizen has a safety net that catches them if they fall. You might argue that this incentivizes failure, but as any successful person knows, the road to success is paved with failure. You don't want to fail, no one wants to fail, but if you do, your life isn't immediately over. So it leaves room for some experimentation, which is advantageous in the market place.
My quarrel with Marxists is their desire to do away with classes. That's utterly reckless. It goes against human nature. We're competitive beings. It's in our nature to climb hierarchies. Why would I do my very best if the fruit of my labor is wholly spread out through the masses? What incentivizes work? One's sense of unity? Good luck with that.
The world is cold and unfair, with or without capitalism. Inequality exists, with or without capitalism. Greed and predation exists, with or without capitalism. Wishful thinking doesn't change that. But we can take steps to minimize suffering to the extent that it's practical. Because despite anarcho-capitalists bold claims, the invisible hand of the market doesn't take care of the needy by way of man's compassionate nature. That's why you need to take the best of both worlds and combine them in a way that minimizes suffering while refraining from submitting to the inherent authoritarianism of state power. It's about balance, and you know your country is off balance when they incentivize locking people up to have them work for less than a dollar an hour. Fucking disgraceful!

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Triangulate + Strangulate

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posted Saturday, March 03, 2018 4:39:30 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for Triangulate + Strangulate
^^^^ facs

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Groucho Marxist

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posted Sunday, March 04, 2018 2:54:48 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho Marxist
Neither capitalism nor socialism work in their purest form

I am not sure what you are using as your measuring stick of total socialism or total capitalism but People died in droves under capitalism directly because of capitalism and lack of regulations, all over the world. In fact they still are. Socialism under every regime has doubled the average lifespan even considering the alleged 90 million deaths it supposedly took. It should be noted here that it didn't take 90 million lives.


The goal of socialism is to transfer power over to the people. Communism, and direct democracy. Russia would most likely have transferred over to a democracy if Stalin hadn't conspired against Trotsky and had him exiled and eventually murdered with an ice pick.



"My quarrel with Marxists is their desire to do away with classes. That's utterly reckless. It goes against human nature. We're competitive beings. It's in our nature to climb hierarchies."

This is a myth. There is nothing natural about hierarchy. You have to understand that hierarchy is just a function of YOUR culture. Many cultures had no hierarchy, sense of ownership, etc. before colonialism. This indicates that it is not natural.


I find it alarming that so many people can't find it in them to think of others and believe that we need to think only of ourselves in order to build a society and contribute. Multiple studies have shown that altruism and a sense of community are more important to an individuals happiness than their own selfish gains.

Porkelin, I understand where you are coming from, and I used to believe the same, but it just isn't enough to create a safety net for capitalism. Not because it doesn't make a more just society or that it doesn't work at all domestically but because of the exploitation of developing countries. Capitalism is meant to follow cheap labor, and needs it simply to exist. It only has the ability to make men rich at the detriment of the poor. Look at the example of Ford Motor company's assembly line model. They found a way to make the labor cheaper and get more done, but the job being done by the people became worse and the pay less. The model was followed by everything from building cars to factory farming. Now that we have computers that do most of these jobs, or they have been sourced out to low wage labor markets, the people who worked the factories, instead of benefiting technology are suffering because of it.

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Groucho Marxist

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posted Sunday, March 04, 2018 2:57:38 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho Marxist
Tadow, your ignorant belief in what you think communism is, is exactly why I made this post and titled it as I did.

You think communism is dictatorship and it isn't. I believe in a direct democracy. It is you who loves to be lured over and thankful to your rich daddies for taking care of you when you waste your entire life working for them.

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Maffmatics (Admin)

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posted Sunday, March 04, 2018 4:14:41 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Maffmatics   Click Here to Email Maffmatics
"This is a myth. There is nothing natural about hierarchy"

Holy fucking shit when i thought you couldn't possibly say anything more stupid.

Like animals never have an alpha or a pack leader and never fight for dominance ever.
Nope nothing natural going on there.

Dumbass

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Maffmatics (Admin)

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posted Sunday, March 04, 2018 4:17:09 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Maffmatics   Click Here to Email Maffmatics
Nope no hierarchy in tribes before whitey showed up, they never had a leader and elders or any shit like that.

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Tadow

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posted Sunday, March 04, 2018 7:38:23 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Tadow
Look at the example of Ford Motor company's assembly line model. They found a way to make the labor cheaper and get more done, but the job being done by the people became worse and the pay less.


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Groucho Marxist

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posted Sunday, March 04, 2018 8:58:52 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho Marxist
Maff, it appears you don't have a true understanding of the word, 'hierarchy."

hi∑er∑ar∑chy
ˈ;hī;(əˌ;ršrkē;/
noun
noun: hierarchy; plural noun: hierarchies

a system or organization in which people or groups are ranked one above the other according to status or authority.



Just because your hero the mangled rationalist, Jordan Peterson has reduced us to fucking shrimp, doesn't mean it is a good idea.

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DJ Smegma

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posted Tuesday, March 06, 2018 2:58:07 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for DJ Smegma   Click Here to Email DJ Smegma
hate to agree with Maff but Jerm you daffy for dis one

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Groucho Marxist

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posted Tuesday, March 06, 2018 6:01:46 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho Marxist
I am really not, and anyone with any desire to actually look into it, should come to the same conclusion.

The Amish is a good, current example of a more egalitarian society.

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DJ Smegma

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The Amish? lol Not only do they have leaders within the community, but they subjugate their women and children and are chronic animal abusers. What are you even talking about?

You can build a house with a spoon with 50 other weirdos out in the sticks if you want to but back in reality its 2018 and we have 300 million people to deal with, chronic disease to cure, international trade to manage, technology to advance, etc.

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Groucho Marxist

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posted Tuesday, March 06, 2018 6:41:22 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho Marxist
" The church also provides reminders for their sense of purpose and day-long services held on Sundays reinforce the most important themes of unity, humility, and living simply. By working together, supporting the economy and society through mutual efforts, and by coming together under a common faith, the Amish are able to renew their sense of purpose daily and live according to the will of the group rather than the individual."

" In essence, through the strong bonds of community, the Amish have achieved longstanding success despite the modern world that surrounds them. By taking the focus off the individual, these larger aspects of group life are more apparent than in other religious groups because the foundation itself is the groupís will to work together."

"Generally the Amish culture is egalitarian. Within the Amish population, there is equal status and social power. They strive to avoid power relationships in terms of internal politics but there are usually several men who are the ďleadersĒ of the community."


http://www.articlemyriad.com/amish-issues-group-communal-living/

http://aganthropology.blogspot.com/2012/05/amish-culture.html

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Groucho Marxist

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posted Tuesday, March 06, 2018 6:43:31 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho Marxist
It is egalitarian in the sense leadership is not special status and their are multiple leaders chosen by the group. Leader is much different than having a ruler. We have rulers, they have leaders.

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you ever wonder why any political or economic systems implemented by YTs since Rome have failed to actually work , when models from africa to asia in ancenif times all worked and everyone flourished ,
anarchy , communism , socialism , capitalism etc anything YT can think of just doesnít work in reality

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Phatbeets

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A lot of talk out of your ass mierda itt.. Nothing unusual tho with this semi-senile junkie who toasted most of his brain cells on crack. Whats amazing is, people are still taking the time to correct him but every single time he fails to reconsider his nonsense opinion and drops another thing that is even more stupid.

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Groucho Marxist

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posted Friday, March 09, 2018 11:10:43 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Groucho Marxist
talk out of my ass shit? Boy what was I thinking trying to match wits with this fucking titan of the written word?

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